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Neo Nugget · Mar 05, 2010, 04:19 PM // 16:19

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/53...e-Says-Ubisoft

Here's what Ubi says about the pirated copies.....

Abedeus · Mar 05, 2010, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/53...e-Says-Ubisoft

Here's what Ubi says about the pirated copies.....

What else would they possibly say?

"Yes, they cracked our awesome new DRM in the same day we released the game!"

Or...

"We know we are idiots and losing legal sales."

Kamatsu · Mar 05, 2010, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Theocrat

The PSN didn't go down. Unlike Live, which was down for the holidays in the not so distant past...

True, it didn't go down - it just ruined ppl's games, saves, achievements, etc if they turned their ps3's on while that bug was in their system :P

and double lol @ UbiDudz. Of course they are going to say something along those lines. and of course most sensible ppl can tell it for the load of BS that it is. Cracked versions "incomplete".. actually that is accurate.. they are missing the retarded DRM.. lolz

Kenzo Skunk · Mar 08, 2010, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

No, what I'm basically thinking is that the rule called "I don't care about paying, I'm not going to" is going to bite you in the butt in the future. Ironical, if you ask me, because then you won't be able to complain. Hypocrite.

Also, since when asking someone to pay for one's hard work and devotion means "sucking blood"? You are sucking someone's blood when you work and ask for money. And your blood is sucked when you pay for your clothes, your fuel, your electricity bills.

Hey, if it`s one click away and it`s free, then why not? It`s not like storming into bank with guns blazing, is it? And that mystical "uuu.. it`s gonna get you some day" stuff, you can shove that up your back. If you are concerned so much about "poor developers" who have actually already been paid by contract, then go ahead.. pay. Pay to poor government it`s taxes, pay to the publisher whatever they charge final product, etc.. Noone is going to stop you from being morally over-concerned. Again, be my guest, wiseass.

*Darcy* · Mar 08, 2010, 04:07 PM // 16:07

1. I'm against piracy.
2. I'm against DRMs or any other restrictions on what I do with something I purchase.

These arguments (publisher and purchaser sides) are very old. I can remember back in the 80s when book publishers tried to prevent used books from being resold or given away. My response is to NOT buy from publishers whose DRMs I dislike. I agree with Stardock's Gamers' Rights - install it on as many pcs as you wish to.

ChocoboLIVE · Mar 08, 2010, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Nothing new nothing special, Although I never though pr such acted like Saint Row 2? Anyone completed the game? Quite amusing if they works such way. Fake Triple AAA title, And a Non-Talent Wealthy of Emptyness.

Winterclaw · Mar 08, 2010, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by flubber

I dunno. over the last, say, 9 years? the quality of PC game development (or it's direction) has hit some sort of barrier made of shit. Either the devs are losing talent, getting to old, or they need to get some gonads and fight for themselves and the games they are creating(more than they have to now).

This throwing out unfinished Beta product and charging "Triple A" title prices has got to stop. I can see how the Industry is grooming younger gamers and they(gamers) need to open their EYES and put a stop to it. The money-grab and its greed are worse than the pirates.

meh..

I blame EA for that. MMOs as well; all of these beta releases have shown companies that you can release an unfinished product and at least make some money off of it. Release now patch later has become the predominate mentality in PC game production. With the older-gen consoles, if there was a bug in the game, it stayed in the game.

I actually expect newer console games to follow PCs in terms of beta release, patch later since both the PS3 and the 360 have an internet connection and HD.

Divinitys Creature · Mar 09, 2010, 04:10 PM // 16:10

It always bothered me how the software market especially gaming is at the level where games cost so much. Compared to the movie industry. Thousands of people spend years and many million to make a top rated movie and they have no clue how well it will perform. So how come a game costs 4x more? MW2 made a billion dollars and spent about $100m, most of which was marketing to do it. How many people work for Infinity Ward? How many people worked for ANet?

I guess software has a longer use than a movie and is more value to the user, but I think it is way overpriced in general for games and ridiculously overpriced for anything by Microsoft, Adobe, etc. Another reason I feel this way? - Open Source manages to do quite well without $$$$ and I recommend OSS solutions at work and to customers and staff.

I know some people might use it as an excuse to pirate software but I would never condone that because you're stealing someone's food out of their mouth or mortgage payment.

Also DRM is an absolute joke and always has been. It only punishes people who honestly pay (by inconveniencing the user) while pirates get the 0-day cracked version. But you might understand that some manager somewhere has to explain to investors what they are doing to solve the problem of piracy - to cover their ass and keep their job.

Also I think DRM is akin to the lock on your front door - a thief can trivially break it but you still want to keep your nosy neighbour out right?

Amy Awien · Mar 14, 2010, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

No, what I'm basically thinking is that the rule called "I don't care about paying, I'm not going to" is going to bite you in the butt in the future. Ironical, if you ask me, because then you won't be able to complain. Hypocrite.

Your comparision simply fails. When someone steals your car you have actually lost something of value. When someone uses a program without buying it they've only not bought it. There's no actual loss of value, or money, especially since they probably wouldn't have bought it even if they couldn't get it for free.

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And your blood is sucked when you pay for your clothes, your fuel, your electricity bills.

... and when you pay for the costs of non-functional DRM, which only serves to hamper the people who actually payed for the stuff while those who don't get a annoyance-free product on top of not paying.

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Originally Posted by Divinitys Creature

It always bothered me how the software market especially gaming is at the level where games cost so much. Compared to the movie industry.

PC's are growing exponentially in their processing power, feeding all that power requires levels of detail in design that become increasingly difficult to create and require increasing numbers of people creating it. Just look at GW's credits.

A $50 game may last for hundreds of hours of entertainment, while a $10 movie is good for maybe 2 or 3 hours. More people buy movies (through dvd, filmtheatre, tv ...) more frequently, making a single purchase cheaper.

Abedeus · Mar 14, 2010, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Your comparision simply fails. When someone steals your car you have actually lost something of value. When someone uses a program without buying it they've only not bought it. There's no actual loss of value, or money, especially since they probably wouldn't have bought it even if they couldn't get it for free.

It's pretty simple to me. I know it's hard to understand that virtual goods have value.

What about this: you hack Blizzard system, and you play WoW for 12 months for free. Where's the harm?! You just "don't pay", you get the service you were supposed to pay for... Oh, right, it's harder to hack a powerful server with so much security as Blizzard. And usually you get cracks ready, from someone who already did the hard part of the job.

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... and when you pay for the costs of non-functional DRM, which only serves to hamper the people who actually payed for the stuff while those who don't get a annoyance-free product on top of not paying.

Paid. And I'm not advocating Ubisoft's DRM. I'm against DRM and I have yet to pay for a game with DRM (except Borderlands, since I bought it BEFORE they introduced DRM - I pirated the DLC instead of buying it...). Frankly, I'm waiting till they crack the game or Ubisoft releases a patch to remove the DRM. Because by putting that DRM in, they lost the $50 from me. I would've bought the game, I seriously would. I loved AC1, AC2 is apparently better, but I refuse to get backf***ed by developers who treat me as a potential thief.

But hey, instead of paying them, I can buy some other game.

gone · Mar 25, 2010, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Things like this are going to push people to their limits.
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63853

http://www.2009games.org/rebellion-d...r-dlc-unlocks/
http://forums.steampowered.com/forum....php?t=1184379

http://content.usatoday.com/topics/a...9x046D8ABdYw/1

http://content.usatoday.com/topics/a...3LWeWo1qo1AE/1

http://content.usatoday.com/topics/a...1OndRlaZlcyl/1

Faer · Mar 26, 2010, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by kamatsu

True, it didn't go down - it just ruined ppl's games, saves, achievements, etc if they turned their ps3's on while that bug was in their system :P

That was caused by a bug in older PS3s, not by an issue with the PSN. Don't fault a service for something it didn't do.

isildorbiafra · Mar 26, 2010, 04:30 PM // 16:30

This is just Ubisoft's way of saying. Want to play our game? Buy a GAMECONSOLE! The game manufacturers are fedup with PC gamers. And lets be honest about it; piracy did ruin things for legit gamers. PC games dont turn a fraction of the profit console games do due to all the piracy involved. MMO's are the only type of games nowadays that rely om PC gamers. The future is piracy proof console games. Get used to it.

Faer · Mar 27, 2010, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by isildorbiafra

The future is piracy proof console games.

Guess that means the future belongs to Sony, seeing as how Nintendo and Microsoft can't figure out how to keep people from playing pirated games on their systems.

fenix · Mar 27, 2010, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Theocrat

Guess that means the future belongs to Sony, seeing as how Nintendo and Microsoft can't figure out how to keep people from playing pirated games on their systems.

Someone cracked PS3 too...

Gennadios · Mar 27, 2010, 01:06 AM // 01:06

For the record, Silent Hunter along /w the DLC is available through the usual pirate corridors. As well as DLC for every Bioware, and Bethesda Softworks games released recently.

The only thing pirated copies of games are missing is the epic installation process. It took me 4 hours to get my legit copy of Batman: Arkham Asylum running, and even that required me to download a spanish Games for Windows: LIVE hack to get the control scheme functional.

Faer · Mar 27, 2010, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by fenix

Someone cracked PS3 too...

That's why there are loads of people pirating PS3 games now.

I'M SORRY FENIX YOU KNOW I BROLOVE YOU BUT YOU NEED TO STOP BEING SO AUSSIE AND START GETTING EDUMAKATED.

What geohot has done to the PS3 merely paves the way for potential piracy down the road. There are still a lot of things to work out, and get around, before you'll be able to pop a burned blu-ray into your PS3 and play Demon's Souls off of it.

Zebideedee · Mar 27, 2010, 12:31 PM // 12:31

I miss the good old days where you bought a PC game installed it then played. It's tragic that companies claim piracy is killing PC gaming and then have so much sh*t to combat piracy on their games now that people choose to go for the cracked pirate versions instead.

Abedeus · Mar 27, 2010, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Zebideedee

I miss the good old days where you bought a PC game installed it then played. It's tragic that companies claim piracy is killing PC gaming and then have so much sh*t to combat piracy on their games now that people choose to go for the cracked pirate versions instead.

Even funnier thing? Battlefield Bad Company 2 - the only DRM it has is a CD-Key checker during installation and the same CD-Key check when you make an online account - sells better than Assassin's Creed 2.

Imagine how well it would sell without any DRM. I know I would buy it. Now I will just wait for the crack/patch to remove DRM.